sestdiena, 2022. gada 12. februāris

Tax Stories E24 - Saule Dagilyte (Sorainen) - on people, purpose and health

 

Saule Dagilyte is a tax partner at Sorainen Lithuania office. In just 12 years she managed to build the tax team from scratch to one of the top alternatives to Big4.

Sports, big and small

We started light about the Winter Olympics in Beijing that started on the day we recorded the interview and the previous Tax Stories episode we had with the Latvian national ice hockey player Kaspars Daugavins. Saule shared that Spain is one of her favourite travel destinations, especially Mallorca for hiking and her plans of getting better at golf.

Book recommendation

Among other hobbies she mentioned reading. One of the recent books she recommends is This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends: The Cyberweapons Arms Race by Nicole Perlroth WINNER of the 2021 Financial Times & McKinsey Business Book of the Year Award.[1] The other one highlighted as one of the best she’s ever read was Red Notice by Bill Browder[2], one of the previous guests to the Tax Stories podcasts.

Why to read books?

An interesting aspect of why Saule started to read more books was that she realised she has a short attention span because of all the online distractions. Books calm down the nerves and that is a piece of advice many can relate to nowadays in the everyday rush. Since now everything is so accessible online, we will more and more rely on recommendations by people we trust. Another hint is to balance paper books with audio books and electronic ones – they all have + and -. Books also help to switch off from work and travel somewhere else.  

Podcast recommendation

A couple Saule likes are Revisionist History[3] where the host looks at historical events from a different perspective and the other is in Lithuanian where a business coach and a psychologist have a podcast Deltuva ir Keturakis[4] on daily matters like feelings, comparison of ourselves to the others, jealousy, why do we do things that are risky, etc.  

Burnout

It cannot be detected easily, or to be more precise – it can easily be overlooked. Difficult time concentrating and working, quite easily irritated, physically exhausted are some of the signs one should take this seriously. Three weeks off and a change of the environment, and doing something active, and being connected with friends helped a lot.   

Change management

Covid learned to change as well, to get rid of some habits like printing documents for proofreading. It’s difficult to make the team to change habits even if the new software makes the lives better. This is still an important learning Saule wants to master from her husband who is a change management coach.

Youth Press

The tax world almost lost a brilliant tax professional, as right after the law school Saule started to work for an international NGO in Brussels uniting young journalists. She even quit a secure public service office to lead the organisation. So I felt in her heart Saule wants to look for ways of making the world a better place. Even if the NGO has no money and she needs to sleep on a mattress. Managing a team of a Portuguese, German and a Lithuanian was a challenge in itself because of the cultural differences. Later it helped a lot to develop the tax team at Sorainen.   

Why tax?

Saule didn’t like studying law, but tax seemed to be the only topic close to the fields she liked – logic and mathematics. For youngsters it is an amazing opportunity to practice tax and make career in this, but one needs to like it. There has always been a big demand in smart tax specialists, at least in the Baltic region.  

Principles in building a tax team

Two priorities. First, building a team, growing and learning together with them is a priority. Second, clients. Every question in a way is a puzzle. Solving them for clients together with them, the daily interactions with them is something she enjoys a lot. That brings not only an emotional satisfaction, but also financial results. In tax the technical knowledge is between 40-60% of the success, the rest is communication, understanding people – both, team members and the clients.

Industries in Lithuania

Saule has discovered how fun it is to work with some emerging industries like video-gaming, startups, fintechs. As an example she highlighted a number of ICOs and other issues with crypto currencies as a new and interesting challenge to work with. Like our Estonian colleagues have worked with Warner Bros. in shooting Tenet, the Lithuanian team has worked with HBO in shooting Chernobil series in Lithuania. Such projects also bring a lot of joy to the everyday life of a tax consultant.

Taxes where it’s nice to live

With less and less profit shifting and more transparency the profits are normally taxed where the assets, people and finances are located. So, eventually it will be important for countries to facilitate comfortable living and working environment in order to attract investments. Where people go, value goes. Where the value goes, tax should follow. People and companies do not move to Lithuania because of its tax regime, but because they like living there.   

Lithuania – country of the year by the Economist, almost

BTW, at the end of 2021 Lithuania was mentioned as a runner up for the title of the country of the year by the Economist, and one reason was standing tall for democratic values. The Economist praised that Lithuania as a country would barely make top 40 among cities in China, by population. Yet, Lithuania was brave enough to let Taiwan to open an embassy. It also suggested to boycott Chinese smartphones because of it’s automatic censorship soft. As a result now Lithuanian businesses have problems related to trading with China.


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